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RE: Idle fluctuation - 9/10/2008 4:43:27 AM   
hquick


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ORIGINAL: jkgray80

Just run your studs in & out a couple times & that will be good enough. As for ''''''''''''''''no codes''''''''''''''''. I hate that about people, i.e. "Well the dang ole light aint on & since the computer is smarter than me , aint nuthin wrong" You can have whats called a '''''''''''''''' in perimeter''''''''''''''''  failure. It will take someone that knows what they are lookng at when scanning through the computer. The info is there, they just arent seeing it. If you have emissions testing in your state, look for a state approved emissions repair shop.


Yeah....need to get it on a scanner. CMP retard needs to be set at +/- 2 deg. But I don''''t think that''''s your issue.
Did you replace the dizzy...or atleast check the gear? They wear BADLY and cause all sorts of issues.
Have you had a crank relearn done since installing the new motor?

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RE: Idle fluctuation - 9/10/2008 11:01:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: hquick

Yeah....need to get it on a scanner. CMP retard needs to be set at +/- 2 deg. But I don''''''''t think that''''''''s your issue.
Did you replace the dizzy...or atleast check the gear? They wear BADLY and cause all sorts of issues.
Have you had a crank relearn done since installing the new motor?


Dizzy??? what gear?? crank relearn??? you mean the computer that adjusts to your driving style? sorry, but I dont quite follow :)

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RE: Idle fluctuation - 9/10/2008 11:02:07 AM   
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Did unplug the EGR (ERG?) solenoid plug and the car acts just the same. So that''''s ruled out.

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RE: Idle fluctuation - 9/10/2008 12:19:56 PM   
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Dizzy = Distributor so the gear on the bottom of the distributor.

When you replace the motor or PCM (computer) in one of these vehicles you ''usually'' need to perform a ''crank relearn''.
Found this description on another site:

quote:

The Crankshaft Position (CKP) sensor sends pulses to the PCM as the reluctor wheel teeth rotate past the CKP sensor. The PCM uses the CKP pulses to synchronize the ignition and fuel injector operation, and to time the interval between each CKP pulse. The PCM determines when an excessive change in crankshaft speed occurs by comparing each new time interval with the previous interval. A misfire causes an unexpected change in the crankshaft speed. A certain amount of acceleration/deceleration is expected between each firing stroke, but if the crankshaft speed changes more than an expected amount, the PCM interprets this as a misfire. The interval between CKP sensor pulses is extremely small. At high engine speeds, slight variations in the following components make misfire detection difficult:

Crankshaft
Reluctor wheel
CKP sensor
The PCM learns variations during the Crankshaft Position System Variation Learning Procedure. The PCM compensates for these variations when performing detect misfire calculations. Only a scan tool can command the PCM to perform the Crankshaft Position System Variation Learning Procedure again.
Perform the learning procedure after the following actions:

A PCM replacement
Any operation or repair involving the crankshaft, the CKP sensor, or the CKP sensor to reluctor wheel gap relationship.
An engine replacement.
The ignition switch is in the ON position until the battery is drained.


FWIW, this is lifted directly from the GM service manual.


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RE: Idle fluctuation - 9/10/2008 8:22:13 PM   
Scany


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quote:

ORIGINAL: hquick

Dizzy = Distributor so the gear on the bottom of the distributor.

When you replace the motor or PCM (computer) in one of these vehicles you ''''usually'''' need to perform a ''''crank relearn''''.
Found this description on another site:

quote:

The Crankshaft Position (CKP) sensor sends pulses to the PCM as the reluctor wheel teeth rotate past the CKP sensor. The PCM uses the CKP pulses to synchronize the ignition and fuel injector operation, and to time the interval between each CKP pulse. The PCM determines when an excessive change in crankshaft speed occurs by comparing each new time interval with the previous interval. A misfire causes an unexpected change in the crankshaft speed. A certain amount of acceleration/deceleration is expected between each firing stroke, but if the crankshaft speed changes more than an expected amount, the PCM interprets this as a misfire. The interval between CKP sensor pulses is extremely small. At high engine speeds, slight variations in the following components make misfire detection difficult:

Crankshaft
Reluctor wheel
CKP sensor
The PCM learns variations during the Crankshaft Position System Variation Learning Procedure. The PCM compensates for these variations when performing detect misfire calculations. Only a scan tool can command the PCM to perform the Crankshaft Position System Variation Learning Procedure again.
Perform the learning procedure after the following actions:

A PCM replacement
Any operation or repair involving the crankshaft, the CKP sensor, or the CKP sensor to reluctor wheel gap relationship.
An engine replacement.
The ignition switch is in the ON position until the battery is drained.


FWIW, this is lifted directly from the GM service manual.



Thanks!

I did inspect the "dizzy" and replaced the top parts, but not the teeth on the bottom.  They looked fine though.

I guess I should find someone else but Rosenthal, since they messed up when it was in last. Then to have then hook it up and set the "dizzy" right and then also start a learning procedure.

On another note, the car died on me the first time today. I started it and moved it almost directly in to drive. I did this a few times since I was hooking up and moving my trailer. It would start fluctuating very bad, and at one time it went so low that it died. It started right back up though. Now I''m thinking fuelpump or pressure regulator. I got a pressure gauge that I should hook up to it while it''s doing it. In [P] the pressure is fine, and it stays fine after shut off too. At least according to the test in the Haynes manual.

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RE: Idle fluctuation - 9/11/2008 1:10:57 AM   
hquick


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FYI...this is what happens to the dizzy gear in these trucks (very common).

One side...looks not too bad huh?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v35/hquick/Vortec%20Distributor/P9100307.jpg

But have a look at the rest!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v35/hquick/Vortec%20Distributor/P9100309.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v35/hquick/Vortec%20Distributor/P9100304.jpg

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