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RE: hydrogen - 4/2/2008 12:42:55 PM
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jmack91z28
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Man this all sounds great, I've got a 454 TBI and I get 7 mpg, i'm really considering doing this conversion myself. Are there ANY possible problems or issues that can come from this kit? Long-term or short? And also, i'm probably thinking the wrong way, but with hydrogen being more easily combustible and faster to combust, wouldn't you have to retard the timing more than factory settings?
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RE: hydrogen - 4/2/2008 12:51:11 PM
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I'm really interested now... I wanna do this too...
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RE: hydrogen - 4/2/2008 1:46:06 PM
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In the book I bought, this generator creates two different forms of hydrogen; orthohydrogen which is the fast burning poerful gas and parahydrogen which is slower to burn. And because this system is adjustable, you just need to adjust how much of each gas is produced so that the engine acts normal without having to adjust timing or other things to avoid knocking.
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RE: hydrogen - 4/2/2008 3:02:11 PM
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ORIGINAL: jmack91z28
Man this all sounds great, I've got a 454 TBI and I get 7 mpg, i'm really considering doing this conversion myself. Are there ANY possible problems or issues that can come from this kit? Long-term or short? And also, i'm probably thinking the wrong way, but with hydrogen being more easily combustible and faster to combust, wouldn't you have to retard the timing more than factory settings?
In an engine that is fully powered by hydrogen, the spark is retarded or the engine will try to run backwards. But on a hydrogen boost system, you don't need to retard the spark because the gasoline, having a much lower ignition temperature than hydrogen, will combust first. Hydrogen is not more easily combustable, and you are only introducing a very small amount of hydrogen into the system if you want it to work correctly. And yes, there are possible problems. The first thing many people encounter is that the vehicle's computer will start making the fuel mixture richer when it sees the abundance of oxygen in the exhaust. and therefore their MPG actually goes down.
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RE: hydrogen - 4/2/2008 3:03:02 PM
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EvansBlue
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What kind of generator is it? Hydrogen atoms shouldn't be different either way... unless one way produces hydrogen atoms with extra neutrons.
To supplement my knowledge about it, I stuck some 3" long screws in a water bottle and positioned them until they were about 1/8" apart and then put some power to the screws by touching a 9v batter to the screws and it indeed produced bubbles.
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RE: hydrogen - 4/2/2008 3:27:11 PM
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In this generator there the two different forms of hydrogen are formed by different methods, the orthohydrogen is formed by the current flowing through the electrodes, and the parahydrogen is formed by a strong magnetic field created by a coil.
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RE: hydrogen - 4/2/2008 5:47:37 PM
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EvansBlue
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I don't think you'll have to mess with the timing much. You might have to advance it 1 degree, but thats still not going to make much difference.
If anyone could put up a diagram of what goes where that will be very helpful! I know how to produce hydrogen, but getting it to the engine is a different story.
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RE: hydrogen - 4/2/2008 7:19:29 PM
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When you produce the hydrogen a in a canister (like my aplication) or in a jar and the only way out is through a tube (meaning that the tube/jar is sealed with a tube coming out), when hydrogen is created it acts like any gas (it expnads). So if you just run the tube to your engine, the hydrogen will make its own way to the engine by way of pressure. Here is a diagram that was in the book.
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RE: hydrogen - 4/2/2008 8:17:00 PM
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different 02 sensors are required for TBI, i'll try find that link again for you
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RE: hydrogen - 4/3/2008 7:38:23 AM
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jmack91z28
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I was just about to ask about the 02 sensors, so i'll wait to hear back. And thanks RonH for the clarity on timing.
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