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rtsurfer -> RE: hydrogen (5/25/2008 4:57:33 PM)


The thing is if by any chance the liquid gets out of the booster (for any reason) it would be disastrous. After everything I did I do not what to take a chance of Sodium or potassium hydroxide getting into my engine.

  
1Gary -> RE: hydrogen (5/26/2008 3:43:04 PM)

A diffrent angle to this.Lets say I am on a jury judging weither or not to put you in jail for a long long time because you where involved in a crash and the generator continued to produce the gas.You had no placards on the car to tell EMT's,Police,Fireman,that system was on board.The car caught fire and burned them very badly or killed one or two when it blew-up.Remember this gas works well because of it's very low flash point.D.O.T. reg's we are told have a problem reg'ing this sytem because it uses the gas and doesn't store it.You state during the trial that you where just "trying it out".That you never though it would be that dangerous.(kind of lends itself to you really didn't condsider all the factors)You insurance co never wants you to come in contact with you ever again and states they didn't know it was on your car.(yeah they abandent you right there)The families of the EMT,Police,Fireman are there in their with tears in their eyes.They give it to the jury which I am apart of to consider what to do.(Now I know this is the simplest explaination of how a trial works)Well what do I vote and why??.I vote to ruin your life anyway I can with fines and jail time.Why-seems very clear that you didn't care at all about the people you hurt and all you cared about was yourself.Seems offensive???.Yes it is.When you say something that offends someone sure enough there is some truth to it.

Dangerous Goods Specialist Licensed In Washington D.C.

Gary

BTW:A good rule to live by is:Know what you are doing and

do what you know.

northey87 -> RE: hydrogen (5/26/2008 4:43:54 PM)

If you have the system wired right then the HHO system will shut down when your engine cuts out after a crash, if your in such a crash that it does not effect the engine (i.e. rear ended) then there would be nothing to worry about because the engine is still burning the hydrogen, until you or someone turns the car off.

rtsurfer -> RE: hydrogen (5/26/2008 5:30:40 PM)

Thanks northey87

I am not storing HHO in hte car just producing it. And not at a high volume that and danger like what you a talking about can take place.

If I was to light it and it did explode the flash would be fast.

No more hydrogen it is just water.

Again I am not storing it. As it is made it is burned. If the container is cracked the system looses water. No Hydrogen. System shuts down. Electrical system shorts out The booster shuts down.

1Gary -> RE: hydrogen (5/26/2008 5:34:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: northey87

If you have the system wired right then the HHO system will shut down when your engine cuts out after a crash, if your in such a crash that it does not effect the engine (i.e. rear ended) then there would be nothing to worry about because the engine is still burning the hydrogen, until you or someone turns the car off.


N.H.R.A. ban the use of this as a fuel yrs ago because no insurance carrier would touch this and the reason was all research from N.H.R.A. and the insurance companies found it to be one for the most unstable fuels anyone could use.Anything would set it off(a greese finger print,rustly bolt,anything) and most of the time it exploded.

20 + yr vet at drag racing,

Gary


rtsurfer -> RE: hydrogen (5/26/2008 5:47:03 PM)

Again not storing it.

LEts say from you example I went down to Lowes and got a propane tank for my BBQ. ANd I get into a accedent. It blew up.

Does my insurance company leave me.?

But maybe there is more here about hydrogen powered cars on the street. GM, Ford and Chrysler are all looking into it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_vehicle

How about here
http://www.news24.com/News24/Technology/News/0,,2-13-1443_1356277,00.html

"20 + yr vet at drag racing,

Gary "

And I stayed at Holiday Inn Last Night

1Gary -> RE: hydrogen (5/26/2008 6:05:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: rtsurfer

Again not storing it.

LEts say from you example I went down to Lowes and got a propane tank for my BBQ. ANd I get into a accedent. It blew up.

Does my insurance company leave me.?

But maybe there is more here about hydrogen powered cars on the street. GM, Ford and Chrysler are all looking into it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_vehicle

How about here
http://www.news24.com/News24/Technology/News/0,,2-13-1443_1356277,00.html

"20 + yr vet at drag racing,

Gary "

And I stayed at Holiday Inn Last Night



I think(and you know)that there is huge difference between a shade tree mechanic and the big three cert a system is safe.No way you have the R & D they have.I could show you a number of people who took a ride over Nia Falls,but not sure if I would do that.LOL

rtsurfer -> RE: hydrogen (5/26/2008 6:32:30 PM)

So what about a bottle of NOS? R&D there?

Or better yet this is safe?
[image]http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/image002.jpg[/image]
[image]http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/image004.jpg[/image]



rtsurfer -> RE: hydrogen (5/26/2008 6:37:11 PM)

My container can carry about 1 liter of water 1/8 of which is HHO (a little more then 1cup)(when on) 1/4 rubber hose about 3ft long 3inch diameter bubbler 1/2 cup of HHO then another 2 ft of rubber hose.

Again making it on board is much safer then 4 bottles of H2 in the trunk.

ax7221 -> RE: hydrogen (5/27/2008 5:38:52 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: rtsurfer


The thing is if by any chance the liquid gets out of the booster (for any reason) it would be disastrous. After everything I did I do not what to take a chance of Sodium or potassium hydroxide getting into my engine.


Thats true, also wanted to let people know (with a disclaimer that my knowledge of chemistry is shoddy at best) that using saltwater as an electrolyte is a HORRIBLE IDEA, as that produces 2 gases, Hydrogen and *Chlorine*.  This is bad since hydrogen and chlorine are the only ingredients needed to make hydrochloric acid, which WILL ruin any metal in your engine, but, I dont know the conditions needs for the two to mix and precipitate into the acid. 

2H20 + 2NaCl(salt) -electrolosis-> H2(gas) + Cl2(gas) + 2NaOH (liquid sodium hydroxide solution)

  

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