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BassinProf -> RE: hydrogen (5/24/2008 12:15:29 PM)

Ha!  No offense but I can't believe you've fallen for this scam.  First off, if this was a viable option don't you think the major manufacturers would have developed it long ago?  Even if you're so paranoid that you think the Government is stifling this thing, don't you think there would be people who are actually qualified, like engineers, building them in their garages?  Geez!

And you're right that the automotive manufacturers are working on hydrogen fuel cells, but those are used to generate electricity to power an electric motor, not hydrogen to inject via the intake.  My god I can't believe what I'm reading.  How much have you spent on this scam?

  
northey87 -> RE: hydrogen (5/24/2008 5:10:48 PM)

How much time have you spent researching Hydrogen units such as these? What makes you think that it doesn't work? My unit is a work in progress, and I am mainly doing it for fun, and it does work. How well it works I have not been able to test yet but even 1 MPG better is certainly improvement and a step in the right direction. If your not going to help or post with a positive attitude, the it is not welcome in this thread. This thread is for those who are interested in the topic and looking for possible assistance. 

BassinProf -> RE: hydrogen (5/24/2008 6:28:10 PM)

Okay, here you go.  If you've taken a high school level physics class you should know that you can't get more energy out of a system than you put in.  You are going to use energy to strip H from water, then you are going to burn the resulting H which produces energy and water.  There's no way you can get more energy out of the burning of H than it took to produce the H in the first place.  So... no problem you say, because you are going to get that energy from your battery.  To this I reply that that energy isn't free, it came from your alternator that produced the energy by imposing an additional load on your engine and reduced the output of the engine in the process.     

This concept would be more realistic if you were using hydrogen cannisters rather than making the hydrogen from water.  This, in fact appears to be the basis of the hydrogen fuel cell that the major car manufacturers are working on.

Alternatively, use a second battery solely for powering H production and recharge it using household current. You would still have to put in more energy than you get from H combustion but I would assume energy from the electric grid is cheaper than energy produced by your car engine.


rtsurfer -> RE: hydrogen (5/24/2008 6:50:58 PM)


This question comes up all the time.

Hydrogen is 2.5x's more explosive the gas. Yes it takes a great deal of energy to convert water to HHO. We are only adding a small amount to increase the gas mileage on the cars we already own. But to make HHO on board to run your engine it is still possible. But….It will not be a 400hp 427ci vette. Stanley meyers ran his for years on just HHO that he made while he was driving. But he had a very special way of doing it. Not only did he use electrolysis to break the bond of H2O to make Hydrogen and oxygen but he also use a very unique circuit that used frequency bases separation that increased his hho production. So much so that he no longer needed to mix other ingredients in the water to make is a better electrolyte. (baking soda viniger or KoH) .

The same can be said about finding the frequency to break a crystal wineglass. Once that frequency is found it will resonate to break.

This was used by Stanely Meyers. He used Plain water and 4 boosters on his 1.6liter VW car.

If you are still in doubt that this can not work. CNN ran several stories on guys building them in a garage. Now Japan has jumped aboard and is now testing a Hydrogen power water car. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1OWDcWoXHs
Ask yourself How can Ford, GM, Chrysler post major losses every quarter and yet still stay open for business.

Kick backs from big oil. And if you that is not happening then why does or government give Big Oil tax breaks when they BOAST about the biggest profit ever?

Yes you can build units to increase your gas mileage. Yes it can be 30-40%.

I am proof I have been playing with this and it works. You must produce 1 liter +minute. Best gains will be 50% production of the engine displacement.

But gains can be made.

I am at25-30%

BassinProf -> RE: hydrogen (5/25/2008 9:49:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rtsurfer


This question comes up all the time.

Hydrogen is 2.5x's more explosive the gas. Yes it takes a great deal of energy to convert water to HHO. We are only adding a small amount to increase the gas mileage on the cars we already own. But to make HHO on board to run your engine it is still possible. But….It will not be a 400hp 427ci vette. Stanley meyers ran his for years on just HHO that he made while he was driving. But he had a very special way of doing it. Not only did he use electrolysis to break the bond of H2O to make Hydrogen and oxygen but he also use a very unique circuit that used frequency bases separation that increased his hho production. So much so that he no longer needed to mix other ingredients in the water to make is a better electrolyte. (baking soda viniger or KoH) .

The same can be said about finding the frequency to break a crystal wineglass. Once that frequency is found it will resonate to break.




That's all gibberish.  Doesn't matter if you're making a little or a lot.  If it costs more energy from your engine to separate the hydrogen from the water than you get from burning it you can only lose HP even if you're only injecting a little. 

Surprise, surprise, I see from your website you're selling these things to people, LMAO!

rtsurfer -> RE: hydrogen (5/25/2008 11:06:34 AM)


Surprise you don’t read or listen very well do you.
On what site do you think I sell stuff? You must have misread. I have not sold anything to HHO production.
This is my own personal experiment. And I am living proof that it can increase your gas mileage.
Hydrogen is the most abundant of the chemical elements, constituting roughly 75% of the universe's elemental mass.
So weather you make in onboard or store it there is no reason why we should not be using it as a fuel.
There are more ways to separate hydrogen from oxygen. And it can be very efficient.
TO give you my own personnel experience
For over a year I have recorded my gas mileage in my 2002 blazer 4.3L engine. I travel everyday the same path. 37-40miles city driving everyday. My gas mileage ran from 17.5-18.5mpg.
Since I put a HHO booster in my car which now puts out 1liter minute 12volts @ 20amps. I have ran constantly over 21mpg. I have hit 23.33mpg(5/15.08), 22.22mpg (5/20/08), 21.75mpg (5/1/08)[sm=dontgetit.gif]

Humm it must rob power to produce it. Yep you are right!

Thanks for pointing it out. I will take it out now.[sm=headbang.gif]

EuroGoldLS -> RE: hydrogen (5/25/2008 11:22:10 AM)

The way I see it, you are using less power making hydrogen than you do running your stereo... The load on the Electrical system has no bearing on the performance of the engine. That alternator is not going to put anymore resistance on the engine using the generator than it would NOT using it. Anyway, if it puts too much load on your electrical system, upgrade your alternator.

No one on this site is selling HHO generators. If they were, I'd put a quick stop to that.

rtsurfer -> RE: hydrogen (5/25/2008 1:00:57 PM)


Thanks EuroGoldLS

But again it can be too much. I have 2 units in my blazer. With both running the same 12v @15amps I loose gas mileage.

What I am working on next is a step up coil/ alternator multiplier tap.

This will multiply the voltage coming from the alternator
Then after the first booster, the ground has 4v that will normally drain to ground.

This is unused voltage on the first booster. This is what I want to step up and use on the next booster. This can be done without using addition power from the alternator.

Stanley Meyers had a setup that was way beyond what I can comprehend now. I watched and entire video how he can do it and produce HHO to run his car or any other vehicle.

But the video is now gone. Try a search for Stanley Meyers New Leland. The video was over a hour long. It has been deleted.

ax7221 -> RE: hydrogen (5/25/2008 2:36:28 PM)

Hey, I just read through this whole thread, and I wanted to bring up an old subject, distilled white vinegar vs. NAOH or KOH.  The claims by the company using distilled white vinegar might be false, as the HHO delivered to the engine would be gaseous, I havent run the equation yet, but it would seem to me that when combining H20 + NaOH or KOH, your reaction would leave you with H2 and a pecipitate solution.  Meaning the only thing going into your engine is hydrogen, not the precipitate solution (which is what the aluminum can is sitting in, and adding electrolosis only speeds up the reaction.)  Also, since your running the H2 through a bubbler, any substance denser than air is going to stay in the bubbler, (like how a bong keeps the shake and ash out of your mouth.)  What you could do is submerge an aluminum can in water upside down, put the tube coming off the bubbler into the can, and let it push the water out (like smack did in his video), and rig it so the can stays underwater.  Once you see H2 coming out from under the can, shut off your rig, and let the can act like a container under the water, I can almost garuantee you that the end product coming off the bubbler isnt corrosive.  So it shouldnt effect any engine parts, but I'd test that theory first.  Or cut up pieces of an aluminbum can, and fill a container (like a ziploc or something), with the H2 and put the pieces in there and observe any changes.  Upon opening the container or bag, have a lit lighter there just to make sure the H2 didn't escape.

ax7221 -> RE: hydrogen (5/25/2008 2:38:46 PM)

Also, I'll be taking chem II this summer, so if theres any chemical questions that you guys need answered, lemme know and I'll run em by the professor.

  

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