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RE: hydrogen - 4/7/2008 3:57:32 AM

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Do you think the temp would get higher if I stacked two of the plate thingys (independent of eachother) one on top of the other in the same container? because I have the room.

Yes you can stack them but..... I would only connect them in series. Kind of like this image...

Even if you added a second system it should be connected in series. The negative from one booster to the positive of the second booster. Then the negative of the second booster to ground. Stacking on top of each other you may see 2liter minute, if you prep the plates correctly. Also make sure the positive and negative connections are wrapped in something to stop the electrical leak in the bath. They suggest using electrical tape. I don't think it will work well or for that long. THe tape has glue that can mix in your bath. Radio Shack and Homedepot have shrink tubing I would use that. Shrink tubing can handle high heat (constant 200-400degrees) with no problem. I use it everyday and shrink it with 1000degree heat gun. Plus there is no glue inside to mix in the bath.

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RE: hydrogen - 4/7/2008 6:13:21 AM

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Would it make the temp rise above 140 degrees?

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RE: hydrogen - 4/7/2008 6:42:05 AM

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It should not. Still should be 120degrees. You are connecting in series which will cut voltage down. it is the volts that heat the water.

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RE: hydrogen - 4/7/2008 7:09:57 AM

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If I wire them I series wouldn't that drop the voltage even lower, so how would that increase the production of hydrogen? Or is the hydrogen production limited because of the amount of surface area of the plates (i.e. more plates=more surface area=more production)?

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RE: hydrogen - 4/7/2008 7:55:59 AM

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Yes but you are not looking for voltage it is the current the produces the HHO. and the current remains the same on the plates But like I have said before I am learning as I go (same as you). so this is what I have read so far.
I would keep an AMP gauge in the car so you can watch what is going on. if it climbs past 20amp shut is down. Dilute the electrolyte with distilled water and try again.
I find that it heats up in 20min. I will post my wiring a little later today so you can see how I have it.
I also have it connected to the fuel pump so that it only comes on when the fuel pump has power. And that is only when the engine is running.

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RE: hydrogen - 4/7/2008 11:37:54 AM

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Rt- that a good idea on the fuel pump. I was a little concerned about if you got into an accident and your engine shuts off but your key is still on. Where id you hook up in the fuse box?
One thing you guys need to realize is that to much from the system can be a bad thing to. Mainly due to so much oxygen going thru the system you just can not fool the O2 sensor enough. Remember this is an add on system not a replacment for gas. I have heard a lot about an overbuilt system will get you nowhere.

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RE: hydrogen - 4/7/2008 11:53:18 AM

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It is connected under the hood fuse box fuel pum relay. So the key has to be on and engine running for it to be on.

From what I have seen 1liter per minute on a 2.0 engine resulted in an 8mpg increase. So for a 4.3 liter is going to need a bit more then that. But If you want to run on HHO entirely then.....

Stan Meyers had 4 units on his early vw which had 50-70hp. So if that little engine needed 4 then what do you think ours will need....

Get the O2 sensor out of the exhaust stream. They should be able to adjust 25% or more if done right.

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RE: hydrogen - 4/7/2008 5:41:16 PM

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Yeah, I might mess around with it on my Nova a little bit since it has not O2 and see what happens, but that is not my daily driver so if I can improve that car it is no big deal, I need it on my newer cars

. I am finding that on engines up to about 5 liters or so 1 liter per minute is enough to help a good amount without a bunch of side effects, but everyone has a different opinion. Maybe as we all get going it will help us out.

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RE: hydrogen - 4/7/2008 7:15:48 PM

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Ok here is how I wired the blazer. I put an amp gauge in hte car so I can see what is going on under the hood. I also have a kill switch for the relay so I can shut it down. Hope this helps

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RE: hydrogen - 4/9/2008 8:38:52 AM

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I think that I have finally got all my parts ordered. hopefully I will start building my unit soon, and seeing how much hydrogen I can get out of it. I am going to try different ways of running current through it, in series, independant, and in series and independant running it on a controler unit.

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