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Old Frog -> Need fuel system help, Please! (6/2/2007 8:03:22 AM)

Good Morning.  Please allow a question from a newbe.  This problem is getting the best of me.   The vehicle is a 1997 Safari Van AWD, 4.3 with a CSFI fuel system. 155K on the clock.  I have owned since 15K & the maintenance has been good.  The van has an intermittent no start problem fuel which, I am thinking is a result of low fuel system pressure. My previous diagnostic efforts lead me to replace the in tank pump with a new Delco unit.  The tank was cleaned.  A new filter was installed.  The pressure was still low.  A return fuel line restricting valve test done (pressure from the in tank pump to high high 60's (I did not push it higher)) indicated a faulty fuel pressure regulator.  A new fuel pressure regulator w/ screen & o-rings installed was installed. Currently the engine runs & operates fine once started.  It restarts fine when warm.  The engine runs great once running.   -  No CELs are displayed. 
-  There are no visible leaks.   No visible kinks or restrictions in the fuel lines. -  Fuel pump relay & electrical system components all appear fine.  Key On, Engine Off, pump cycles & pressure builds to approx. 52 PSI.  Engine will start with a shot of starting fluid & continue to run & drive fine after that.  Warm restarts are immediate.  Cold restarts the following morning do not happen. I have driven the van around with the engine box off watching the fuel pressure gage.   From a cold start:    - System pressure reads 0.    - Key On, Engine off, Pressure builds to approx. 52 PSI, but the engine still will not start.  Starting fluid is needed to start.    -  With engine running & in normal driving, pressure gage readings range in the mid 50's to low 60's.  Idle is in the low 50's with an occasional dip to about 48 or 49.    -  Engine turned off.  The gage reads about 55 PSI & holds up to several hours.  Warm restarts like this are not a problem.    -  Over night, the system pressure drops to 0 & the above cycle repeats.   My Haynes manual states the spec is:  Key On, Engine Off:  Approx. 55 to 61 PSI  Engine Running:  Pressure should decrease by  3 to 10 PSI.  Thus, I am thinking it is a low pressure problem of some type.  Something that prevents the pump from building the pressure @ a cold start.   I am starting to get POed by this time.  Any suggestions on where to look next or how to proceed from here would sure be appreciated.   Thanks in advance.  Bob


  

97benzman -> RE: Need fuel system help, Please! (6/3/2007 7:22:42 AM)

[8|]i know this may sound a little off, but with all the parts u say u have replace, have u re-booted ur engine control unit by disconnecting the battery ground cable?


Old Frog -> RE: Need fuel system help, Please! (6/3/2007 9:41:06 AM)

Thanks for the input.  I did reboot & idscharge the residual charge. 

At this point I am beginning to wonder if it is a sensor malfunction @ cold start that is throwing off the fuel/air mixture or perhaps timing.  Or event the CSFI to MFI fuel system tsb issue.  I have read some on that, but syptoms do not fully match.  Mine is a cold start with a smooth idle while the tsb mentions warm starts & rough idle. 

Any more ideas or sugestions would sure be welcome.  Bob


BigBoom360ci -> RE: Need fuel system help, Please! (8/6/2007 9:26:18 AM)

Have you thought about the injection parts being non effiecient enough from being 10 years old?


  

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