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It is both. Again the ECU and Sensor mods lean the fuel a little. But I am replacing that lost fuel with HHO.
 
Again I would not try to lean the fuel without HHO. Lean creates heat, it can damage parts.
 
SO to replace the lost fuel from running lean you add HHO.

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ORIGINAL: rtsurfer

I did not mean it sound like I was jumping down you throat. Just meant that efficiency is the key to get production and great production.

 
Thats not how it came out, lol.  I was just giving an explanation for my terrible reading skills.  No worries.

Is this pretty much over? I was hoping someone was going to have some success and report gas mileage that was quite impressive. Has anyone really gotten to that point? I guess I''m assuming if anything was really going on here there''d be an endless supply of posts on how to retrofit their cars with the Hydrogen thing. As it is all of these kits are being sold everywhere and they are apparently a scam.

Did you read the entire post?
 
I am at the moment of trying a new circuit design.
 
My last milage report was 25mpg city up from 17.5-18.5mpg.
 

This website just lost my entire post.. Not that I''m going to write it again.. Just want more highway miles for at least an hour for MPG and speed and the old MPG in the same stretch. City driving is way too subjective.
 
Here''s a link on a pretty scientific discussion on whether this is even possible. Mostly negative but there are a few believers...
 
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=56705
 
Thanks.. Gary   (original post was about 3 long paragraphs and the site just dumped it instead of posting it..)

Just another well written website that calls this all nonsense and has links to back it up is:
 
http://www.aardvark.co.nz/hho.shtml
 
I really am hoping the rumor about a radio frequency doing something is true because I''m becoming more convinced by the moment that there is no improvement here...
 
Gary..

I still think it works and mnine is almost done.

k

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ORIGINAL: guvner

Just another well written website that calls this all nonsense and has links to back it up is:

http://www.aardvark.co.nz/hho.shtml

I really am hoping the rumor about a radio frequency doing something is true because I''''m becoming more convinced by the moment that there is no improvement here...

Gary..

Then you are looking in the wrong spots.
There are talks either way. But the systems you see online that are being sold may or may not be a scam.
Try looking up overunity.com
search for bobboyce cell.
Try Hydroxy, and workingwatercar under yahoo forums.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Hydroxy/
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WorkingWatercar/
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/compx2008f.jsp?year=2002&make=Chevrolet&model=Blazer%202WD&hiddenField=Findacar
yes city will vary but I should never be getting 25mpg in my car. That link shows what my car is and what it should be getting.
I have driven my car for over a year the same path and recorded the gas mileage every time.
EVRY TIME at fill up. I never go over 18.5mpg
Since I installed an efficient unit that uses lower amps to produce higher volume of gas then my mileage went up.
My last recording was 25mpg. But on average I have gotten 22.5-23mpg. 25mpg was a high.
You can read ho iceland is moving to hydrogen. How are they getting it? From water.
http://www.news24.com/News24/Technology/News/0,,2-13-443_1356277,00.html
Or a Japanese car that is running on water.
http://www.news24.com/News24/Technology/News/0,,2-13-443_1356277,00.html
Can a car run on water Yes. On demand hydrogen production while you drive takes a lot of energy
http://www.kalb.com/index.php/news/article/video-hydrogen-generator-boosts-gas-mileage/8883/
But there are people under yahoo forums who are doing it.
 
 

These folks seem to think it works: http://www.hydrogenht.com/

They are actually selling stock...

Let me try to explain this, you cannot get more energy from hydrogen than you put in, its physically impossible.  What the goal is, is to use the energy from one fuel source (gas) to release energy from another source (hydrogen) to reduce the gas/air mixture to a gas/H2/air mixture so you use less gas.  It''''s not to get more energy or power, its to use one fuel source to obtain a cheaper one.  Think of how a nuclear power plant works.  They use nuclear power (which costs about $0.005 per kWhr to produce) and transfer it as electrical (at a cost of ~$0.07 per kWhr) for a profit.  Theyre converting one power source to another, except their goal isnt to lower fuel costs (or we''''d be on nuclear powered houses not electric), their goal is to turn a profit. We''''re effectively doing the opposite, heres an analogy, we''''re taking electrical (gas) at a higher price ($4/gal) to produce nuclear power (H2) at a lower cost (almost free) than electrical. Since our goal isn''''t profit, its lowered fuel cost.  If that analogy makes sense. Whether it works or not, is obviously up to debate, but here''''s my take on it.

You can''''t argue with real world results, these people can calculate all they want, but the fact of the matter is, you can''''t take *everything* in a real world situation into account... Its basically impossible, thats why we do experiments.  I''''d like to see more people try these out, as a college student, I don''''t have an income thats readily disposable, and I''''ll be using less than 1 tank per month, this won''''t apply to me for another few years, or I''''d be building one myself.
 
*edit* why are apostrophes coming out as quotation marks?
 
apostrophe- ''
quotation - "

Glad that happened to you with the apostrophes.. I thought I just wasn''t paying attention.. I looked up at what I posted and I was kind of dumbfounded by my typing... Thanks for the post too. I''''m a disbeliever but hoping someone shows me the error of my ways before I start trying to make one of these things...

G..

Well I mean, if you take into account all the things that have been accomplished when science "said" it was impossible, the fact of the matter is, the science isn''t wrong, its usually the applications, calculations, or way of thinking. One of the main examples is flight, no one thought the wright brothers'' plane would take off.  Just recently I was in an electromagnetism and optics course, and in the text book it said "Nothing can have an index of refraction less than 1."  Now this book was published in 2007, later in 07 there was a lab that created a material with a NEGATIVE index of refraction, they did what people thought was impossible.  Funny thing is, the formulas that used index of refraction still held true, negative or postive.  The science wasn''t wrong, it was the scientists way of thinking that was.

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ORIGINAL: EuroGoldLS

They are actually selling stock...

Yep, that''s where I got the info was in a promo flyer in the mail.  They''re claiming an up to 30% fuel savings.
 

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ORIGINAL: ax7221
 
why are apostrophes coming out as quotation marks?   

 
It''s an artifact of the forum software problem as far as I can tell.

New Here!   About hydrogen...     A"practical guide to free-energy devices" is where I got the diagram to build the Hydro booster.  Just finished my hydro cell..!  Hope to be finished with my bubbler and electronics in a few weeks.
   My question is does anyone know where i can get electrolyte-additive for my distilled water? 
  

A lot of discussion has gone on as to whether to use a salt solution, or vinegar, etc, but we have not had any clear answer on that... rtsurfer, what do you use as an additive?

Do not use salt it is poisonous gas. Sodium cloride.
Your best bet is to start with baking soda. Get the bugs out of your system. Keep your amps low 15amp max. I mixed with distilled vinegar to help keep the bath clean.
See the wrong mixture with start to break down what you added to the bath (salt, baking soda etc) rather then break down the water. So your efforts will not result in hydrogen.
For example add salt you will get a gas sodium chloride with little or no hydrogen. Do not do this.
Once you keep the system running far about a month with no problems. You can switch to sodium hydroxide.
I am now using sodium hydroxide but have 2 bubbler set up to help prevent it from getting into the engine. Sodium hydroxide and aluminum do not mix.
The sodium hydroxide I use is from lowes it say 100% lye on the bottle
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=146450-331-HD-CRY&lpage=none
But again if you make a mistake and it gets into your engine disaster.
My mix is about ½ teaspoon to 1gallon of distilled water.

Just fyi rt, sodium chloride isn''t a gas until 2670 degrees (its boiling point), its table salt, but when broken down into water and apply electricity you get Chlorine gas, hydrogen gas, and oxygen gas (and an aqueous sodium solution), the hydrogen and chlorine will form into hydrochloric acid (HCl) which is bad for your (metal) engine parts. The sodium will be broken down into the water as a precipitate (solid) which will stay in the main chamber and/or be filtered through the bubblers.  However the chlorine is the nasty part.  Chlorine gas by itself is poisonous if I remember correctly. Even if your bubbler has enough air in it, chlorine will get in your engine despite it being heavier than air.  Eventually all of the air/Hydrogen/Oxygen will be displaced out of the bubbler by the chlorine which will work it''s way into your engine.
 
It would appear that sodium hydroxide (NaOH) would break down into 2Na (aqeous) + H2 + O2, so that''d probably be your best bet since O2 and H2 are both good fuels and the sodium wont make it past the bubblers.

You are not using heat to seperat H20 you are using electric feild. And seperating the bond between the elements. Pulling them apart.
 
Same for "Salt" the power that seperates H2o will seperate the NaCl (salt).
 
Either way it will not be good.

No I know you''re not using heat, but sodium chloride wont be a gas, its still terrible for the engine either way though.

Can someone tell me how to connect to the power on my fuel pump relay so if my engine shuts off my generator will stop producing gas?